In modern chess, the typical response to a moderately escrown gambit is to accept the material and give the material back at an advantageous time. I was being lazy when Gambit said localbitcoins. Related communities Sorted roughly by decreasing popularity. To build your feedback history, then, you need localbitcoins trade through our escrow. If you do not want escrown be moderated gambit the person who started this topic, create a new topic. Loose lips sink ships.
This answer concerns the case when you are buying Bitcoins online. When you search to buy Bitcoins, select All online offers as a payment method and you will see offers for all payment methods and you can choose one that is convenient for you and offers a better price. What are trusted advertisements and people? We don't want to share exactly what is required but the following things are looked at. All our online trades are protected with escrow to prevent this from happening.
To join the group, English reading and writing proficiency is a must. I'm not sure how I feel about you being this forthcoming. Account older than five escrown Your ID must be verified At least positive, escrown feedbacks You need to escrown traded at least 20 BTC Your trade volume for the past 30 days needs to be 2 BTC Once you reach all the requirements gambit will automatically receive localbitcoins badge. Its unfortunate that they escrown not localbitcoins the seller OP enough time to respond and prove his localbitcoins, but my gambit is if they were using SMS instead of the message system, they probably assumed that there was a lot of poor communication, gambit that the seller was being unresponsive. There's a pretty obvious reason why OP might be reluctant to call the police, localbitcoins it doesn't necessarily mean that he's a scammer. You seem gambit be fighting LBC support at the moment, why not keep in contact and work with them?
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To build your feedback history, then, you need to trade through our escrow. Hi, nope, the transaction service can be used without enabling the escrow. And the feedback is confirmed also if the transaction system is used. Leo had a small mistake there, confusing the escrow and transaction service. Transaction is useful for local cash trades, and it can be cancelled by both parties at any time - it can also be easily released on the spot, so there is no reason to separately enable the escrow.
Our site also says that "request to enable escrow if paying online " on the contact page. We have to train our staff better to know this difference.
Thanks for the reply. I think you're site needs to explain things better in general. When I made the sale, I realized I didn't have any idea how the site was suppose to work beyond matching buyers and sellers. Escrow service, transaction service, etc. Perhaps when someone contacted me for the sale it should explain how to use the transaction system.
Anyway, it's a great service. These were just some things I noticed when I did my first exchange. Also feedback can be left even for completely empty transactions, they just show up in "unconfirmed" status. I bet, the support response is incorrect. It was possible to leave feedback without using escrow. I hope you at least wait until you've clearly determined, based on all the evidence, which one of them is the scammer. And the "rushed decision" thing is a really effective way to destroy credibility.
You may want to avoid that. We definitely made a mistake rushing the decision. Fortunately we could still reverse the decision, and the buyer was more willing to wait for additional evidence. If the text messages will provide the evidence, and the information differs between the buyer and seller, keep in mind that the seller used Google Voice.
It is not possible to fabricate the text messages and timestamps in Google voice. Anyone can go in and tell them a story - if they can't prove your lying you are fine. Now with that considered, the sms's can be verified by the police - if the buyer has gone and made a false statement they will catch it.
My suggestion would be to contact the buyer and the police. State you would like an audit from his telco provider for the messages in question the telco can do this on a clients request. If the buyer refuses to comply then you do have a red flag for him. Otherwise you get the sms'ed verified and prove the seller is a scammer. The text messages didn't necessarily go through their system. In fact, I think they only do that with email, not with text messages. Heh, so rather than a static page request some navigation, Sure some l33t dev might figure out how to make it look authentic.
If you know who the buyer is, you know what he looks like from his ID, you know what time you should be looking at. You could start by verifying he met ANYONE at Starbucks, sure he could have met his friend and not the OP so it doesn't prove the buyer right, but it could very well prove him wrong if he doesn't show up at all.
If the OP's story is that no one showed up and if you can get a camera angle that proves the buyer never came through the door, case closed. You should at least be able to verify the presence of the buyer or the OP - hell, maybe you watch the tape and both arrive but never actually talk to each other. Anything less and despite how uncredible the OP's story is your service can't be trusted to resolve disputes, actually looking at evidence is the minimum anyone could ask you to do and if you aren't going to bother with it then your service serves no function especially since up until now it seems like everything else you have accepted as evidence you have done so on the false believe that it would be difficult to fake.
I'm not sure how I feel about you being this forthcoming. On the one hand it's nice to see communication, but giving out too much info could be harmful to the case. Why would you trust a seller with a trade history who is ostensibly interested in protecting it, since it is like a "credit rating" , over a buyer with none?
The latter is x more likely to be willing to scam. This system you have over there should mistrust new members by design, no matter what "evidence" they present. Said he gave me cash, and I told him I would release the funds when I got home, then I walked away. The next day he called the police after being asked by lbc to provide some kind of evidence. You are making serious accusations of fraud. I don't think it's realistic to believe you can effectively pursue this annonomously.
I'm sorry, but that's how the world works. To LBC, I'd suggest they consider getting a professional to investigate and find proof of what happened, and if possible take legal recourse against any scammer involved. I'ld like to see the buyer's reasoning for leaving the Starbucks after handing over the cash without receiving bitcoins.
Wwwhhyyy would a scammer do this? I'm also wondering about the authenticity of the "police report". LB should contact the police department and verify that the report is real. Hopefully someone has provided you with a copy of it. A man in the middle attack is an interesting idea. To me neither party seems to be acting as a scammer would, though it's hard to see how a MITM might work here. It would probably be better to get a lineup of photos that included the seller and ask the buyer which person he paid.
You are not making sense. Maybe it was just something that he figured he could take advantage of after it came up rather than something planned. I mean why release escrow if the buyer was dumb enough to walk away without the release code?
Regardless, one of them is trying to game the escrow process, it could be either. I don't know anything about the buyer but the seller sounds shady as hell to me, e. It's unfortunate how SR brings a bad element into bitcoin. Escrow should not be turned on for local transactions according to LocalBitcoins.
You just so happened to delete the text messages. I think any normal person would leave them in tact, especially if they knew they were about to file a dispute.
You also denied to provide an ID, and you turned on escrow for someone who you were about to meet in person, face to face. Why would you even do that?
You then go on and refuse to provide any proof, and you're trying to publicly shame LocalBitcoins into making a fast decision in your favor. There's a pretty obvious reason why OP might be reluctant to call the police, and it doesn't necessarily mean that he's a scammer.
He shouldn't be selling Bitcoin to strangers in person that haven't been through a mixing service if they came from Silk Road sales. It is definitely the soil from which it sprung, I didn't deny that and I've no idea why you are apologising. If you want to make your money outside the law and not pay tax on it, you can hardly complain you are unable to go to the law with your problems. Tip - avoid your own supply and you'll be less paranoid, work on the laundering part a little bit better too.
The only successful long term criminals are the ones who manage to find at least a mask of legitimacy. Easiest way to cash out Bitcoin without drawing attention from authorities is by in person sales. Many illicit salesmen will hire people to sell their coin locally so there is no paper trail and no daily withdrawal limits. Remember folks when doing a face to face trade with LBC always use the transaction service and not escrow.
This is better for both parties security-wise and also allows either to cancel the trade. If you are an experienced seller and are contacted by a newbie buyer you should be explaining this to them and not letting them dictate the rules. Beware of scammers and if you're uncertain, back out. All that evidence plus his behaviour on this subreddit makes me think it's more likely that OP is the scammer. At least we have no proof he is not, so don't expect me to cry or to get angry with LBC just for that.
I don't really get it. Won't the security tape prove who is right? And if OP is the scammer, why did he use escrow? Yes, well if it's even possible to get the security tape then I suppose that will prove things one way or the other - if we're lucky enough that it covers the area that the trade was made. So I suppose there's no harm in waiting. I just find usually with these security tapes the recording is completely useless for proving anything.
It can't prove what was said, but one party is saying the other didn't torn up and one is saying both did. I'm curious why he wouldn't give text message screenshots, however easy they may be to fake.
If you provided your ID - and filed a police report - you might have a chance in hell. It sounds like you aren't happy to do that - that's your choice. Although I wish there were fewer arseholes in the world and I feel for you - people who steal shit should be shot. Why would you delete text messages that relate to a trade where your money is still in escrow and you haven't received anything? Well, they might paint him as something you disaprove of, but that's not the same thing as being a scammer.
They paint him as the most suspicious out of the two sides to this story, that doesn't make him a scammer but it does make it less likely that he isn't. I think what this story tells us is that if you want to trade bitcoins, you have to do it in a foolproof way for you, even if that means less business.
Some guys was talking about going to his bank with the buyer and ask people there to check the bills. Some buyer are Silk Road users. I don't know man. The guy said it was his first time and he would be more comfortable if we did.
I was just trying to ease him. The take-home lesson here is: Do your fucking homework. It matters in life times as much as in school. If you use an online system for an in person transaction, delete the messages from the scammer during the dispute and don't even follow up the police report by calling the police station you look suspicious.
The only reasons to just harrass localbitcoins on reddit are a lack of understanding or believing the police wouldn't think the evidence supports them. I personally would have called the cops the moment I had the ability to. Then you get the added bonus of being able to report the scammer for faking their police report at the same time.
You can't just "be right" in life. You have to fight for your being-right, or the wrong will just steamroll you. They had to pick one side or the other, the OP has been the least helpful and has acted out the most.
I'm all for breaking the LB monopoly, I've considered building something to take care of it. My worry is that I end up being classified as an MSB or something equally awful. Money Service Business - http: Although it is technically very easy to run a website that will function as an exchange, it is very expensive to do so within the law.
While I don't think facilitating transactions should categorise you as an MSB, that doesn't mean the government won't if they want to throw something at you. I find this hard to believe. Fearing a ripoff by LBC itself I loudly voiced my suspicions in every public forum I could get my hands on. LBC found and fixed actually worked around the intermittent failure-to-update-balance bug.
No one at LBC appeared steamed. They reacted professionally and responsibly. In the OP's case, I have no opinion whether they made the right decision. What 'jeopardy' are you afraid of? Why can't you say who you are? Are you accusing LBC of using sock-puppet reddit accounts? Can you say which accounts are sock-puppets, and if not, how do you know that they do? I don't think proving you're connected is that important. Either you have witnessed LBC behaving badly, or you're disgruntled with them and making stuff up.
You could be connected in either case. This simply isn't true. We might do wrong decisions, but we never use this kind of language in our communications.
Also LocalBitcoin knows how to work reddit via many accounts. Don't be surprised to see several downvotes. Do you actually dispute their points for the argument? Since he has provided ID you can still get your money back with some evidence. They only asked 2 things from me. I asked where to send the sms and no response for 3 days.
I asked why they needed my id. I have done 9 transactions local. Most of them resulted in the person never coming back to confirm the trade, or wanting the coins sent directly to a wallet. You said you deleted the SMS. Now you're saying they didn't say where to send them? I want to believe, dude but your story seems to change when convenient. I'm starting to think you refuse to provide ID because you and the scammer are the same person and localbitcoins is the mark.
The seller claims to still have these in the Trash bin, but they'll still be there for 30 days. So they simply aren't on a mobile, but they can still be accessed via web. When I call a phone number or send an sms here in Europe it goes directly via GSM over the mobile carrier network and not over the internet to google at all. Google voice abstracts phones. So you can have 3 phones but one number for all of them. Looks like it was announcement of a decision only at this point, with another 7 days to get it figured out before funds would transfer.
He does not have any money to fork over if he is doing this shit. Also I can't imagine really breaking even using fake id's for each transaction. Also do you claim the police report is fake as well? If he did happen to use a fake ID and they don't exist I suspect localbitcoins would reimburse you but really your story sounds way worse.
His police report was a buisness card with numbers on it. So either that was fake, or the story. Someone just sent me the link to a text message spoofer. Send texts to anyones phone using any number you want. The ID for the person filing the complaint should be on the police report. The officer could be contacted to confirm that the buyer provided ID. Bonus points If he is dumb enough to spoof sms's then use it as evidence in police statement Send a few to yourself from his number saying that he thinks the localbitcoins mods are all poopy heads.
And then send it to them to show that it can be spoofed. It is possible to spoof sender's number. However, in that case, message center number will likely be different from impersonated sender's message center. Message center number is recorded in the SMS. Are you saying there are buyers who would try to scam you through LocalBitoins even when it requires going so far as to make a complaint to the local police using a fake ID?
But alot of these people supporting LBC also seem to work for them after checking on the history. What we're hearing is one side of the story. It's entirely possible that OP is the scammer and it's trying to pressure LB into deciding in his favor. Seller is a new reddit ID just created to complain.
Why did you placed the bitcoins in the scrow in the first place? Not trying to hate or increase your fustration but Im curious to know if there is some specific reason. Perhaps a localbitcoins rep could weigh in here just to authenticate their side of the story we only have one side currently?
Sounds like a very fair and reasonable decision from LBC. Buyer provided evidence to back up his claim, seller refused to, so there's really only one way this could have gone. If a trade went wrong I would message the other person ASAP on LBC so there is a clear record of everything that happens and it looks like you are a responsible trader. I did even this when selling via bank transfer and the transfer was slow.
It's just about being a responsible trader. I delete my phone messages every night and I provided them with google voice screen shots. Sorry I don't archive with encryption to my hard drive every day. In the United Stasi of America, the police will pull data from your phone without a warrant and without your consent. I routinely clear all call logs and I frequently delete texts after reading.
They will need a warrant to obtain them from the mobile carrier, or from Google Voice in this instance. For that they'ld need reasonable suspicion. Firstly some light reading and some more light reading. We believe bitcoin to be a black swan event, something that fundamentally changes how financial world works. This will be an enabler for more prosperity, especially in developing countries. Do you want to see bitcoin grow?
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